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PAPAJI (INTERVIEWS) BY DAVID GODMAN

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Plunge Into Eternity :- Poonjaji, what is freedom? Freedom is to know your own fundamental nature, your own Self. Nothing else. Freedom is the easiest thing of all to get. You don’t even need to think. And what is that. Self? This is indescribable. It is not intellectual, not even transcendental. Think of one without even the concept of two. Then drop the concept of one. You often speak of surrender. Surrender to what? To that Source through which you speak, through which you see, through which you breathe, through which you taste & touch, through which this Earth revolves & the sun shines, through which you have asked this question itself. Everything happens through that consciousness in which even emptiness is housed. That Supreme Power which is beyond the beyond—your own Self—to that you have to surrender. What is mind? Never mind! [Laughing] Show me the mind. You have used the word ‘mind’. No one has seen what the mind is. The mind is though, existing as subjects & objects. The first wave is ‘I’, then ‘I am’, then ‘I am this, I am that’, & finally, ‘This belongs to me’. Here the mind begins. New, keep quiet & do not allow any desire to arise from the Source. Just for one instant of time, don’t give rise to any desire. You will find you have no mind & you will also see that you are somewhere indescribable, in tremendous happiness. And then you will see who you really are. When you enquire ‘Who am I?’, this will take you home. First reject the ‘who’, then reject the ‘am’, then you are left with the ‘I’. When this ‘I’ –though plunges to its source, it ceases to exist & finds Being Itself. In that place you can very well live without the mind. If you do it, you will find that something else will take care of all your activity. That ‘something else’ will take care of you much better than the mind ever did. We can see today what the result of using the mind is, how the world is behaving by using the mind. I believe that if you keep quiet & let the Supreme Power take charge of all activities, you will then see how to live with all beings. The one who knows himself will know what it is to be animals, plants, rocks—everything that exists. If you miss realization of your own Self, you have not know anything.