K: Ah! That is theory. S: Is it? Dr Bohm: A supposition, of course it is. K: Of course, when you are fragmented how can you assume that you are the whole? S: How am I to know I am fragmented? K: When there is conflict. S: That’s right. K: When opposing desires, opposing wishes, opposing thoughts bring conflict. Then you have pain, then become conscious of your fragmentation. S: Right. But at those moments it often happens that you don’t want to let go of the conflict. K: That is a different matter. What we are asking is : Can the fragment dissolve itself, for then only it is possible to see the whole. S: All you really know is yourfragmentation. K: That is all we know. B: That is right. K: Therefore let’s stick to that. B: The supposition that there is a whole may be reasonable but as long as you are fragmented you conld never see it. It would be just an assumption.